Members Keith Kampen

4 days ago: animals are not adult humans i know and they can't give legal consent. so if you could legally marry an animal then would you say it's appropriate to have sex with it if it was also an adult animal. i know maybe what you mean is that there is no meaningful relationship that you can have with an animal, but there have been instances where a pedophile has supposedly had a meaningful relationship with a so called victim. lets take a homosexual in ancient greece. the man would take a boy to bed and bring him in some sense to see the light, or gaping hole. then the previously innocent boy would have been exposed to such circumstances and, once a man, would eventually be expected to bring another boy to see the gaping hole. this previously innocent boy according to their older friends would appreciate being brought into manhood. this boy maybe wasn't born a homo but due to an outside influence or imposer, he saw sexuality through a different perspective. a perspective supported bythe society

4 days ago: jim c.
by baby i meant over a period of time as the baby grew older, what are probaly the two most important influences in ones life would, whether intentional or not cause some sort of confusion as the child was going through puberty. if you see your parents kiss you don't think much of it. it's fine right? what if your gay parents kiss? it's fine too. so why don't i allow myself to look for such "fine" relationships with anyone who catches my eye? there obviously would be more factors but saying gay parents raising a child who's not fully developed would in a certain percent of the cases cause a naturally hetero person to straddle the line. it's not about imposing and if homosexual relations are acceptable if "you happen to be gay or bi" then what about when heteros start moving in that direction.
then i've got one more post on the way

5 days ago: i agree maybe i should use different words. too late for that. i would say there are more homosexuals not with more lenient laws but with a more lenient society. let's say i never saw a problem with bestiality. then i start exposing myself to that aspect of sexuality. then one day this yellow lab pops into my head, and im like dang is that weird to be thinking about. nah. then the next day theres this horse, then a cow, then idk what. then with enough time, because i haven't said no that's absolutely disgusting, i look into this rottweilers eyes and just want to nail it. thats not very complex or a realitic situation necessarily but i don't think ppl are naturally into bestiality and conversion from human to animal would be a cumulative process.
do u think bestiality should be tolerated and those who practise it should be accepted because they were naturally attracted to a cow, or is it sometimes the case that sexuality is often perverted through our circumstances?

5 days ago: "What arrogance" to think the "so-called fine-tuning was' not 'a masssive blow to God's inexistence". you're accusing me of being arrogant as you "don't get' how i 'love being simple minded?" answer me simply since i have such a feeble mind what evidence there is for multiple universes or why someone might have suggested it.

also, what im saying is that a godless worldview depends heavily on making up for the current direction science is pointing towards, being a direction which benefits theist arguments. so yes, there's a problem that needs to be solved and we need to undestand the world we live in better but would solving the problem have a positive or negative impact on beliefs held by those who claim there is no god. i think that at the moment it looks like atheism is backing itself into a corner. but i admit things could change with one big discovery

Aug 31 2010: mahtar
lets say in a regular case it just happens. it would have just happened because id be looking for a relationship with a girl not a guy. if i had my mind, heart, or pants set on other guys and i thought being friends with another guy wasn't enough because my true intentions would be to wake up and look into his eyes each morning then yes maybe i would have just fallen in love with a man. my mind, heart, eyes though tell me that picture is wrong.

ya because im hetero thats what tells me its wrong. if i didnt think it was wrong, and was still a hetero then what would stop me from believing it to be acceptable and cross the line. then id have made a choice by allowing such thoughts to creep into my mind.

i think a hetero going down the path of a homo is an issue. in canada homos have been able to marry for a while. i have no problem with that at all, and i don't hate homos, i just don't think they ought to be encouraged or too kindly overlooked and unchecked.